**Stephen P. King** (*stephenk1@home.com*)

*Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:10:51 -0500*

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"Stephen P. King" wrote:

*>
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*> Hi guys,
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*>
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*> ca314159 wrote:
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*> >
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*> > Stephen P. King wrote:
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*> > >
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*> > > Hi Robert,
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*> > >
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*> > > I hava always suspected that many people are busy building the pieces
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*> > > to our jig-saw puzzle! This is great!
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*> >
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*> > Dear Stephen,
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*> >
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*> > Yes. But there are probably less pieces than people realize.
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*>
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*> I agree, but we can't a priori determine or compute what they are. See:
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*> http://tph.tuwien.ac.at/~svozil/publ/casti.ps
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*>
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*> (Svozil's work is excellent! :) )
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*>
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*> > How does Cramer-Rao fit in with Kosko's understanding of
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*> > the Cauchy-Schwartz Inequality. If his view is *functionally*
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*> > equivalent, then there is one piece, not two, and we are
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*> > only seeing the same thing over and over in many different
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*> > *forms*.
*

*>
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*> I don't know. I have not fully digested the ideas involved in
*

*> Cramer-Rao and its possible relationship to Kosko's ideas of the
*

*> Cauchy-Schwartz inequality...
*

*> Yes, we are "only seeing the 'same' thing over and over in many
*

*> different forms," it is the Universe partitioned and represented in some
*

*> finite way. Another way of saying this is: "All signals are just noise
*

*> run through a different filter," or Feynmann's "All electrons are one
*

*> and the same, just at different spacetime points..."
*

*> Contextual function defines form.
*

*>
*

*> > We should be aware of the need to do "data compression on theories"
*

*> > otherwise we accumulate lots of information with no understanding
*

*> > of them.
*

*>
*

*> I agree, but this can't be done in a way that is "invariant with
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*> respect to thinker." Such would be making the assumption of a "universal
*

*> language" or representational or encoding scheme that works for an
*

*> arbitrary observer, thinker, agent, etc.
*

*>
*

*> This is very interesting!:
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*> http://tph.tuwien.ac.at/~svozil/publ/time.ps
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*>
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*> > Robert
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*>
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*> this is interesting:
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*>
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*> http://www.optics.arizona.edu/News/Oscillations/July.htm
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*>
*

*> "Fisher information is an old concept. It has been used since about
*

*> 1922 to judge the quality of statistical estimates. Now it is the
*

*> central concept in a new theory of measurement. This predicts that each
*

*> physical phenomenon arises in response to a request for data about it.
*

*> Roy explained, "The probe particle that initiates a measurement perturbs
*

*> the measured particlefs wave function. This perturbs the particlefs
*

*> Fisher information level, and initiates a variational principle whose
*

*> solution and output is the probability law that produces the requested
*

*> measurement. For example, the Schroedinger wave equation arises out of a
*

*> request for the position of a particle. In this way, the phenomenon that
*

*> is to be measured is produced eon the spot.f The result is a kind of
*

*> local creation of reality. This appears to be an effect that is new to
*

*> both physics and metaphysics, resembling the 'participatory universe' of
*

*> Professor J.A. Wheeler."
*

*>
*

*> Roy continued, "Virtually all of known physics, from relativistic
*

*> quantum mechanics to statistical mechanics to quantum gravity, has been
*

*> derived by this measurement approach. The local creation of reality is a
*

*> microscopic effect. It arises in measuring and interacting with single
*

*> elementary particles. Itfs reminiscent of the microscopic reversibility
*

*> to time of the laws of physics. As with the latter, we donft yet know
*

*> how and if ereality on demandf translates into a macroscopic effect."
*

*>
*

*> A traditional measure of disorder, entropy, has provided the usual
*

*> definitions of time and temperature. Said Roy, "Fisher information
*

*> provides us with new definitions. They arise out of a newly discovered
*

*> eH-theoremf for the information: It can only decrease with time. This
*

*> makes Fisher information a measure of disorder and means that Fisher
*

*> information must provide its own definitions of time and temperature.
*

*> Time is defined to increase when Fisher information decreases.
*

*> Intriguingly, we find that Fisher time and entropy time do not agree
*

*> about 1% eof the time.f Temperature is defined as the resistance to a
*

*> change in energy of the Fisher information of a system. The relationship
*

*> of the Fisher temperature scale to the entropic, or conventional,
*

*> temperature scale is currently not known."
*

*> B. Roy Friedenfs fall 1998 course offering, Opti 529, crosslisted
*

*> as Phys 529, is titled "Physics from Fisher Information, a Unification."
*

*> It will show that Fisher information provides a basis for nearly all
*

*> physical laws, including quantum mechanics, classical e&m theory,
*

*> special and general relativity, diffraction optics, the statistical gas
*

*> laws, quantum gravity, and the ubiquitous 1/f-noise power law. The
*

*> textbook for the course, Physics from Fisher Information, a Unification
*

*> by B. Roy Frieden will be published in December 1998 by Cambridge
*

*> University Press."
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*>
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*> Later,
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*>
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*> Stephen
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**attached mail follows:**

ca314159 wrote:

*>
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*> Stephen P. King wrote:
*

*> >
*

*> > Hi Robert,
*

*> >
*

*> > I hava always suspected that many people are busy building the pieces
*

*> > to our jig-saw puzzle! This is great!
*

*>
*

*> Dear Stephen,
*

*>
*

*> Yes. But there are probably less pieces than people realize.
*

I agree, but we can't a priori determine or compute what they are. See:

http://tph.tuwien.ac.at/~svozil/publ/casti.ps

(Svozil's work is excellent! :) )

*> How does Cramer-Rao fit in with Kosko's understanding of
*

*> the Cauchy-Schwartz Inequality. If his view is *functionally*
*

*> equivalent, then there is one piece, not two, and we are
*

*> only seeing the same thing over and over in many different
*

*> *forms*.
*

I don't know. I have not fully digested the ideas involved in

Cramer-Rao and its possible relationship to Kosko's ideas of the

Cauchy-Schwartz inequality...

Yes, we are "only seeing the 'same' thing over and over in many

different forms," it is the Universe partitioned and represented in some

finite way. Another way of saying this is: "All signals are just noise

run through a different filter," or Feynmann's "All electrons are one

and the same, just at different spacetime points..."

Contextual function defines form.

*> We should be aware of the need to do "data compression on theories"
*

*> otherwise we accumulate lots of information with no understanding
*

*> of them.
*

I agree, but this can't be done in a way that is "invariant with

respect to thinker." Such would be making the assumption of a "universal

language" or representational or encoding scheme that works for an

arbitrary observer, thinker, agent, etc.

This is very interesting!:

http://tph.tuwien.ac.at/~svozil/publ/time.ps

*> Robert
*

this is interesting:

http://www.optics.arizona.edu/News/Oscillations/July.htm

"Fisher information is an old concept. It has been used since about

1922 to judge the quality of statistical estimates. Now it is the

central concept in a new theory of measurement. This predicts that each

physical phenomenon arises in response to a request for data about it.

Roy explained, "The probe particle that initiates a measurement perturbs

the measured particlefs wave function. This perturbs the particlefs

Fisher information level, and initiates a variational principle whose

solution and output is the probability law that produces the requested

measurement. For example, the Schroedinger wave equation arises out of a

request for the position of a particle. In this way, the phenomenon that

is to be measured is produced eon the spot.f The result is a kind of

local creation of reality. This appears to be an effect that is new to

both physics and metaphysics, resembling the 'participatory universe' of

Professor J.A. Wheeler."

Roy continued, "Virtually all of known physics, from relativistic

quantum mechanics to statistical mechanics to quantum gravity, has been

derived by this measurement approach. The local creation of reality is a

microscopic effect. It arises in measuring and interacting with single

elementary particles. Itfs reminiscent of the microscopic reversibility

to time of the laws of physics. As with the latter, we donft yet know

how and if ereality on demandf translates into a macroscopic effect."

A traditional measure of disorder, entropy, has provided the usual

definitions of time and temperature. Said Roy, "Fisher information

provides us with new definitions. They arise out of a newly discovered

eH-theoremf for the information: It can only decrease with time. This

makes Fisher information a measure of disorder and means that Fisher

information must provide its own definitions of time and temperature.

Time is defined to increase when Fisher information decreases.

Intriguingly, we find that Fisher time and entropy time do not agree

about 1% eof the time.f Temperature is defined as the resistance to a

change in energy of the Fisher information of a system. The relationship

of the Fisher temperature scale to the entropic, or conventional,

temperature scale is currently not known."

B. Roy Friedenfs fall 1998 course offering, Opti 529, crosslisted

as Phys 529, is titled "Physics from Fisher Information, a Unification."

It will show that Fisher information provides a basis for nearly all

physical laws, including quantum mechanics, classical e&m theory,

special and general relativity, diffraction optics, the statistical gas

laws, quantum gravity, and the ubiquitous 1/f-noise power law. The

textbook for the course, Physics from Fisher Information, a Unification

by B. Roy Frieden will be published in December 1998 by Cambridge

University Press."

Later,

Stephen

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