Stephen P. King (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Thu, 20 May 1999 00:43:04 -0400
Hitoshi Kitada wrote:
> Dear Stephen,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen P. King <email@example.com>
> To: Hitoshi Kitada <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Cc: Time List <email@example.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:42 AM
> Subject: [time 328] Re: [time 326] Re: Fisher information and relativity
> Frieden thinks the observational aspect only. Thus space-time is given for
> him. Maybe in this sense, my notion or defintion of time is not necessary
> for his consideration. It is sufficient that some parameter corresponding to
> time is given for him.
But is not the main point of your LS theory? I understand that Frieden
is assuming an a priori space-time to frame his thoughts. We must think
of his notions as applying to the "mechanisms of observation" of LSs and
as such should use a line of thought similar to your explanation of the
Most people do not understand your theory! It is very hard to accept
that their is no absolute clock (or unique space-time frame!) for all
possible observers! People instinctively wish for an absolute ordering,
duration and length measure to the world for that would allow them to
affirm that their particular way of thinking is the only correct one and
every one else is wrong. This violates the spirit of relativity. "Any
observer perceives their own subuniverse to be Minkowskian in itself."
I say that Einstein did not go far enough, he should of banished the
notion of a Unique space-time for all observers all together. We need to
discuss this further! We need to rethink everything starting with the
notion of causality!
> > I believe that Frieden's work is but another piece of the puzzle of
> > Quantum gravity, I do not expect his work to completely exhaust the work
> > needed.
> I agree. But my problem is what the complete understanding is.
I do not think that "complete understanding" is possible, only
asymptotically increasing understanding. Since any observation is
restricted to a finite number of parameters, "knowledge" of the totality
> I need only to point at the work that went into QM to illustrate
> > this! We need to see the big picture!
> The problem is we cannot have the picture. We have many pieces, but do not
> have any synthetic picture. This seems to be the case at any age, as we see
> when reminding the history.
We must understand how it is that LSs can communicate at all!
We start by understanding that each observer has its own infinite
subuniverse of potentially observable events, but can only communicate
with other observers to the degree that it shares information with them.
This is just a sketch, so the ideas will evolve! I will be discussing
this line of thinking with Lance when he returns from his trip. The
issues of "distributivity" and "non-Hausdorff" are keys.
I expect that it will take a long time for these issues to be
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