**Matti Pitkanen** (*matpitka@pcu.helsinki.fi*)

*Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:28:16 +0300 (EET DST)*

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Dear All,

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Dear Hitoshi et al,

Hitoshi Kitada wrote:

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*> Dear Stephen,
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*> Stephen P. King <stephenk1@home.com> wrote:
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*> Subject: [time 706] Re: [time 702] Time operator?
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*> > [HK]
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*> > > You are right again. I completely agree. This is the same problem if
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it is

*> > > possible to construct a four dimensional version of the Hilbert
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space.

*> > > What I
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*> > > proposed is that if the space of states could be thought as the
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totality

*> > > of
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*> > > the QM orbits exp(-itH/h)Psi(x,t), then the conjugateness of t to H
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is

*> > > trivial. This is an identical propsoition by nature of positing the
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*> > > problem.
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[SPK]

*> > Matti, are you saying that the dynamical law is a priori to time? How?
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*> > I see the "dynamical law" as defining a pattern of behavior of a
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system

*> > as it evolves in its time. When we say that we localize it in time, we
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*> > are refering, to be consistent, to the time of the localizing agent,
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not

*> > the system in question's time. There is no "time" for all unless we
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are

*> > merely considering the trivial case when all systems are
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synchronized...

Did this make sense? I see LS's as fundamental clocks, and thus it

should be possible to consider an "ensemble of clocks" as given by a

ensemble of LSs. But, I am very sketchy in my thinking of this. :-(

[MP] I cannot say. One should need a quantative model for clock.

Clock as oscillator is a nice model but based on the existence of

time! You want to derive time from the existence of clocks, I

am happy in deriving the existence of clocks from the existence

of time!

By the way, quantum jump sequence is the ultimate syncronizer in

TGD: every self makes quantum jump simultaneously, whatever its

psychological time is!

Best,

MP

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