Matti Pitkanen (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:58:04 +0300 (EET DST)
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 WDEshleman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/18/99 7:03:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> email@example.com writes:
> > Waking-up means formation of self. This process seems to take
> > place gradually: subselves of self wake up one by one. Even subselves
> > with different temporal cm coordinats could participate in
> > wake-up process. This could perhaps explain the experiences
> > of several subsequent wake-ups: for instance, a wake up
> > in say childhood home could be followed by a wake-up
> > in own bed.
> I shall not assume that you are not aware of The Many-Worlds Interpretation
> of QM, but if you think the above way, then you cannot dismiss M-W's from
> consideration. I will not bore you with my ravings here, but will point you
Yes. I am aware of M-W interpretation but has never been able to
understand it. In TGD framework every time development U creates
M-B but quantum jump makes the world superposition of classically
equivalent spacetimes. I do not assumption continuous splitting of quantum
state to quantum state (whatever that might possibly mean!).
I add below a qmind posting about wake-up, fall-asleep, etc.
with short introduction to basic assumptions behind the model of
self and binding and is free of latex control signs.
> David Deutsch's page:
> <A HREF="http://www.qubit.org/people/david/David.html ">David Deutsch</A>
> Bill Eshleman
The posting is related to the earlier posting 'Self and Binding'.
For reader's convenience I recall the basic hypothesis relevant
to the model of of self and binding.
a) Selves are subsystems able to remain p-adically unentangled during
subsequent quantum jumps. This means that the action of informational
time evolution operator U generates real entanglement below unique
pinary threshold determined by the mapping of real quantum states
to their p-adic counterparts. Thus self is critical phenomenon: only
subsystems sufficiently autonomous have self. Selfs are p-adically
pure quantum states.
b) Allowed subsystems are matter-mind subsystem pairs formed
by cognitive spacetime sheets and material spacetime sheets.
Allowed quantum jumps mean quantum measurement reducing entanglement
between matter and mind. Strong NMP applies automatically to self
and if it decomposes to subselves, separately to subselves.
Selves thus dissipate always. Dissipation is signature of self and
since it is observed in all length scales it seems that the
predicted infinite hierarchy having God at the top is present.
God never sleeps since it is not entanglement with any larger
matter-mind type system.
c) The experiences of subselves integrate to experience of self
which is kind of abstraction about the experiences of subselves.
For instance, the experiences of neurons and bodily cells should
integrate in this manner to our total experience
and one could achieve reliability of experiences as result of
quantum statistical determinism. This implies infinite
hierarchy of experiences analogous to hierarhcy of higher and higher
level computer languages or to modules of computer program.
Thus one can say that universe forms a theory about itself consisting
of infinite series of abstractions.
e) Localization in zero modes characterizing classical spacetimes
occurs in each quantum jump implying that the world of conscious
experience is classical. This localization is very much analogous
to the Orch of Penrose and can be regarded as a direct consequence
of the hypothesis that quantum measurement is local operation
in configuration space of 3-surfaces. Both localization and
quantum measurement for localized spacetime surface define important
aspects of sensory experience.
f) Psychological times for cognitive spacetime sheets can be defined
as 'cm' time coordinates for cognitive spacetime sheets and as zero
modes are uniquely fixed in quantum jump. Since cognitive spacetime
sheets (having finite temporal extension) quantum jump by quantum
jump drift in the future lightcone to the future direction,
the arrow of psychological time emerges.
In the next I shall consider simple model for wake-up
and falling-asleep in this scenario. Also the problem how
ageing and death could be modelled in this picture, is touched.
1. Waking-up and falling-asleep
Waking-up means formation of self. This process seems to take
place gradually: subselves of self wake up one by one. Even subselves
with different temporal cm coordinats could participate in
wake-up process. This could perhaps explain the experiences
of several subsequent wake-ups: for instance, a wake up
in say childhood home could be followed by a wake-up
in own bed. Similarly the process of falling asleep could occur
in several steps.
1.1 Wake-up and falling asleep as critical phenomena
Wake-up could occur
a) by *quantum jump* or
b) *spontaneously so that time development operat U creates p-adically
It seems that spontaneous wake-up is consistent
with what we know about wake-up experience whereas
quantum jump alternative leads to difficulties. The arguments
supporting spontaneus wake-up are following.
a) No experience of free will or selection is involved with wake-up
process and the process is experienced as completely spontaneous.
b) If wake-up process corresponds to quantum jump, the
quantum jump in question should reduce entanglement between two
matter-mind subsystem pairs. This is not however allowed
if one requires in the scheme based on the generalization of von
Neumann's intuitions and strongly supported also by the proposed
connection between infinite primes and quantum measurement
c) Wake-up by quantum jump would require that subsystem
is able to generate very large entanglement in order to
win entanglement entropy maximization race and wake up.
On the other hand, sleep state is unstable: small perturbation
leads to wake-up. It is however difficult to imagine how small
perturbation could generate development of large entanglement of required
type. It seems that we would be fighting every morning
for priviledge to wake-up and to get to our daily jobs!
d) On the other hand, if wake-up occurs when informational time
development operator U begins to generate p-adically un-entangled
subsystem, situation changes. In real context this means that real
entanglement generated by U falls below the pinary cutoff.
The criticality of the sleep state is in accordance with the assumption
that during sleep the real entanglement generated
by U in each quantum jump is slightly above the threshold
so that small perturbations can lead to the wake-up process.
When person sleeps sufficiently long time, the entanglement generated
by U lowers down to the critical value and wake-up occurs eventually.
One the other hand, when person becomes dormant, U fails to generate
unentangled state except for small periods of time and eventually person
falls asleep. For persons suffering from insomnia
the entanglement during sleep must be pathologically near to threshold.
1.2 Wake-up and sleep state need not be continuous
It is not at all clear whether the wake-up state is continuous
even in wake-up state: it might well be that self exists only a *fraction
of time*. Also during sleep self or some subselves probably exist some
small fraction of time: dreams are of course good example of this.
In highly alert state this wakeup fraction would be near unity while
in drowsy state it become small. If the number of quantum
jumps performed per unit of psychological time
measures the exprerienced duration of time, this picture
explain why geometric time runs slowly in highly alert states
(for instance, claimed to be experienced when person is in traffic
car accident). This would however suggest that the opposite occurs
when person is bored and this seems not to be the case: perhaps the
very process of getting bored is related to the state of alertness
without action. If the total fraction of geometric time spend by the
person in wake-up state decreases when person gets older, one can
understand why the time is experienced to run faster at the older
age. That time indeed runs is not a mere metaphor: the inverse
for quantum jumps per psychological time measures the rate of running!
1.3 Can one stop dissipation and metabolism by getting entangled?
Sceptics certainly do not take seriously
the claims that trained yogis can lower there metabolism to
very low level. They must however accept the claims that bears
sleep over the winter and that their metabolism is reduced to a very low
level during this period. Metabolism is presumably basically dissipation
and an ideal mechanism of lowered metabolism is entanglement of the
entire self with larger self preventing quantum jumping inside self
totally. One must however notice that in reality subselves of self
can wake up during sleep so that some dissipation and metabolism
2. Ageing and death
2.1 Entanglement gets too large in death
In death the entanglement generated by U should increase so much
above the critical value that wake-up process becomes impossible.
For instance, the effect of electric shocks on patients
who have suffered heart attack and lost consciousness could be understood
as a large enougt perturbation able to bring p-adic entanglement below
the threshold. This would mean that self indeed entangles with some
larger self in death.
2.2 Is ageing similar to getting drowsy in longer length scale
The process of ageing would be a process analogous the process of getting
drowsy and falling asleep but in much longer time scales. The process
would involve generation of temporal entanglement of subsystems
of self with larger selves and periods of consciousness
extended outside the physical body. Perhaps the process of ageing could
be a process of personal growth (in rather concrete sense!).
The temporal entanglements generated with larger selves would give rise
to larger temporal selves and the term wakening would thus be much more
than a mere metaphor since person would spend more and more time
in extended state of consciousnesss and in death leave
the self bounded to the physical body. This would make possible
the evolution of selves continuing after death to higher
levels of conscious existence. This picture is rather optimistic. One
must also consider the possibility that self does not grow always.
2.3 What might happen to self after death?
Universe is predicted to be full of selves and one cannot say anything
definite about the fate of self after death unless one can decide which
self can be regarded as the continuation of self before death. Since
self has temporal extension it has memories about its earlier history
and one could identify the continuation of self after the death as that
self which has the memories of self before death. Thus the law of Karma
could perhaps be realized: the nature of the self carrying my memories
as my subself after death defines my reincarnation. This self can be
either lower or higher in the hierarchy of selves than the self before
death. If one accepts that there is infinite hierarchy of selves with
free will, one cannot exclude the possibility that the selves at the
same or higher levels of hierarchy can affect about our fate after death
(however unpleasant this possibility might sound in the ears of
hedonistic modern man).
2.4 Near death experiences and enlightment by entanglement
Some support for the extension of self in death is provided by
near death experiences. For instance, looking one's body from outside
could mean that self is entangled with a larger self formed by
the personnel of hospital in the hospital room and sees his body
with the eyes of the personnel. Meeting one's relatives and elders
could mean entanglement with a larger self formed by the selves
of dead and also living relatives. This could really occur
since selves can have temporal extension.
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